Psychedelics Today: PTSF 35 (with Brian Muraresku) Griffithsfund.org Despite its popular appeal as a New York Times Bestseller, TIK fails to make a compelling case for its grand theory of the "pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist" due to recurring overreach and historical distortion, failure to consider relevant research on shamanism and Christianity, and presentation of speculation as fact." Throughout his five books he talks about wine being mixed with all kinds of stuff, like frankincense and myrrh, relatively innocuous stuff, but also less innocuous things like henbane and mandrake, these solanaceous plants which he specifically says is fatal. This is all secret. So how to put this? That was the question for me. Because for many, many years, you know, Ruck's career takes a bit of a nosedive. But if the original Eucharist were psychedelic, or even if there were significant numbers of early Christians using psychedelics like sacrament, I would expect the representatives of orthodox, institutional Christianity to rail against it. The continuity hypothesis of dreams suggests that the content of dreams are largely continuous with waking concepts and concerns of the dreamer. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More That's the big question. Even a little bit before Gobekli Tepe, there was another site unearthed relatively recently in Israel, at the Rakefet cave. #649: Rick Rubin, Legendary Music Producer The Creative Act Whether there's a psychedelic tradition-- I mean, there are some suggestive paintings. And to be quite honest, I'd never studied the ancient Greeks in Spain. There have been really dramatic studies from Hopkins and NYU about the ability of psilocybin at the end of life to curb things like depression, anxiety, and end of life distress. Read more about The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku Making Sense by Sam Harris I was not going to put a book out there that was sensationalist. 7:30 The three pillars to the work: the Eucharist as a continuation of the pharmako and Dionysian mysteries; the Pagan continuity theory; and the idea that through the mysteries "We can die before we die so that when we die we do not die" 13:00 What does "blood of Christ" actually mean; the implied and literal cannibalism And I just happened to fall into that at the age of 14 thanks to the Jesuits, and just never left it behind. CHARLES STANG: Well, Mr, Muraresku, you are hedging your bets here in a way that you do not necessarily hedge your bets in the book. And how can you reasonably expect the church to recognize a psychedelic Eucharist? Not just in Italy, but as kind of the headquarters for the Mediterranean. And I feel like I accomplished that in the afterword to my book. And I want to say to those who are still assembled here that I'm terribly sorry that we can't get to all your questions. CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF WORLD RELIGIONS, Harvard Divinity School42 Francis Avenue, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138 617.495.4495, my.hds |Harvard Divinity School |Harvard University |Privacy |Accessibility |Digital Accessibility | Trademark Notice |Reporting Copyright Infringements. And if the latter, do you think there's a good chance that religions will adopt psychedelics back into their rituals?". There he is. So this is the tradition, I can say with a straight face, that saved my life. So the closer we get to the modern period, we're starting to find beer, wine mixed with interesting things. So listening right now, there's at least one orthodox priest, there's at least one Catholic priest, an Episcopalian, an Anglican, and several others with whom I've been talking in recent months. Now the archaeologist of that site says-- I'm quoting from your book-- "For me, the Villa Vesuvio was a small farm that was specifically designed for the production of drugs." Thank you for that. This is true. Theories of Origins about Witch Hunts - King's College It still leaves an even bigger if, Dr. Stang, is which one is psychedelic? Before I set forth the outline of this thesis, three topics must be discussed in order to establish a basic understanding of the religious terminology, Constantine's reign, and the contemporary sources. Israel's Exodus In Transdisciplinary Perspective: Text - Vdoc.pub I mean, that's obviously the big question, and what that means for the future of medicine and religion and society at large. The Immortality Key, The Secret History of the Religion With No Name. Because my biggest question is, and the obvious question of the book is, if this was happening in antiquity, what does that mean for today? I mean, about 25 years ago, actually. CHARLES STANG: OK, great. Plants of the Gods: Hallucinogens, Healing, Culture and - TopPodcast And so I don't think that psychedelics are coming to replace the Sunday Eucharist. "@BrianMuraresku with @DocMarkPlotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More" Please enjoy! There aren't any churches or basilicas, right, in the first three centuries, in this era we're calling paleo-Christianity. Newsweek calls him 'the world's best human guinea pig,' and The New York Times calls him 'a cross between Jack Welch and a Buddhist monk.' In this show, he deconstructs world-class performers from eclectic areas (investing, chess, pro sports, etc . A profound knowledge of visionary plants, herbs, and fungi passed from one generation to the next, ever since the Stone Age? I see something that's happening to people. According to Muraresku, this work, which "presents the pagan continuity hypothesis with a psychedelic twist," addresses two fundamental questions: "Before the rise of Christianity, did the Ancient Greeks consume a secret psychedelic sacrament during their most famous and well-attended religious rituals? Get personalized recommendations, and learn where to watch across hundreds of streaming providers. BRIAN MURARESKU: Now we're cooking with grease, Dr. Stang. So Pompeii and its environs at the time were called [SPEAKING GREEK], which means great Greece. So psychedelics or not, I think it's the cultivation of that experience, which is the actual key. And so I don't know what a really authentic, a really historic-looking ritual that is equal parts sacred, but also, again, medically sound, scientifically rigorous, would look like. Mark and Brian cover the Eleusinian Mysteries, the pagan continuity hypothesis, early Christianity, lessons from famed religious scholar Karen Armstrong, overlooked aspects of influential philosopher William James's career, ancient wine and ancient beer, experiencing the divine within us, the importance of "tikkun olam"repairing and . Now, let's get started, Brian. And so the big hunt for me was trying to find some of those psychedelic bits. I mean, I asked lots of big questions in the book, and I fully acknowledge that. CHARLES STANG: My name is Charles Stang, and I'm the director of the Center for the Study of World Religions here at Harvard Divinity School. And even in the New Testament, you'll see wine spiked with myrrh, for example, that's served to Jesus at his crucifixion. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biolo. He was greatly influenced by Sigmund Freud (1940) who viewed an infant's first relationship - usually with the mother - as "the prototype of all later love-relations". And the one thing that unites both of those worlds in this research called the pagan continuity hypothesis, the one thing we can bet on is the sacred language of Greek. Did the Early Church Use Psychedelics? - Substack So Brian, I wonder, maybe we should give the floor to you and ask you to speak about, what are the questions you think both ancient historians such as myself should be asking that we're not, and maybe what are the sorts of questions that people who aren't ancient historians but who are drawn to this evidence, to your narrative, and to the present and the future of religion, what sort of questions should they be asking regarding psychedelics? BRIAN MURARESKU: Good one. And what do you believe happens to you when you do that? And that's where oversight comes in handy. The Immortality Key: The Secret History of the Religion with No Name And I think it does hearken back to a genuinely ancient Greek principle, which is that only by fully experiencing some kind of death, a death that feels real, where you, or at least the you you used to identify with, actually slips away, dissolves. And much of the evidence that you've collected is kind of the northern half of the Mediterranean world. The pagan continuity hypothesis at the heart of this book made sense to me. Listen to #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More, an episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, easily on Podbay - the best podcast player on the web. Let's move to early Christian. So Gobekli Tepe, for those who don't know, is this site in southern Turkey on the border with Syria. And there were gaps as well. The Tim Ferriss Show Transcripts: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Lessons from Scholar Karen Armstrong, and Much More (#646) - The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss 3 Annual "Best of" Apple Podcasts 900+ Million episodes downloaded Well, the reason I mention Hippolytus and Marcus and focus on that in my evidence is because there's evidence of the Valentinians, who influenced Marcus, in and around Rome. There is evidence that has been either overlooked or perhaps intentionally suppressed. I am excited . Maybe there's some residual fear that's been built up in me. And so how far should this investigation go? Now are there any other questions you wish to propose or push or-- I don't know, to push back against any of the criticisms or questions I've leveled? Because even though it's a very long time ago, Gobekli Tepe, interestingly, has some things in common with Eleusis, like the worship of the grain, the possibility of brewing, the notion of a pilgrimage, and interaction with the dead. And there were moments when the sunlight would just break through. Like savory, wormwood, blue tansy, balm, senna, coriander, germander, mint, sage, and thyme. Material evidence of a very strange potion, a drug, or a [SPEAKING GREEK]. OK, Brian, I invite you to join us now. I see a huge need and a demand for young religious clergy to begin taking a look at this stuff. But this clearly involved some kind of technical know-how and the ability to concoct these things that, in order to keep them safe and efficacious, would not have been very widespread, I don't think. One, on mainland Greece from the Mycenaean period, 16th century BC, and the other about 800 years later in modern day Turkey, another ritual potion that seemed to have suggested some kind of concoction of beer, wine, and mead that was used to usher the king into the afterlife. "The Tim Ferriss Show" 646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The book was published by Saint Martin's Press in September 2020 and has generated a whirlwind of attention. #646: Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin The Eleusinian Nage ?] I mean, if Burkert was happy to speculate about psychedelics, I'm not sure why Ruck got the reception that he did in 1978 with their book The Road to Eleusis. An Exploration of Religion: An Interview with Brian Muraresku So my biggest question is, what kind of wine was it? And when you speak in that way, what I hear you saying is there is something going on. BRIAN MURARESKU: Right. And I'm happy to see we have over 800 people present for this conversation. But curiously, it's evidence for a eye ointment which is supposed to induce visions and was used as part of a liturgy in the cult of Mithras. Brought to you by Wealthfront high-yield savings account, Peloton Row premium rower for an efficient workout, and You Need A Budget cult-favorite money management app.. Rick Rubin is a nine-time GRAMMY-winning producer, one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world, and the most successful producer in any genre, according to Rolling Stone. I'm going to come back to that idea of proof of concept. Now, Brian managed to write this book while holding down a full time practice in international law based in Washington DC. And I think that's an important distinction to make. The same Rome that circumstantially shows up, and south of Rome, where Constantine would build his basilicas in Naples and Capua later on. Some number of people have asked about Egypt. They minimized or completely removed the Jewish debates found in the New Testament, and they took on a style that was more palatable to the wider pagan world. I would have been happy to find a spiked wine anywhere. Like the wedding at Cana, which my synopsis of that event is a drunkard getting a bunch of drunk people even more drunk. We know that at the time of Jesus, before, during, and after, there were recipes floating around. And if there's historical precedent for it, all the more so. Klaus Schmidt, who was with the German Archaeological Institute, called this a sanctuary and called these T-shaped pillars representations of gods. In May of last year, researchers published what they believe is the first archaeochemical data for the use of psychoactive drugs in some form of early Judaism. And nor do I think that you can characterize southern Italy as ground zero for the spirit of Greek mysticism, or however you put it. 8 "The winds, the sea . To this day I remain a psychedelic virgin quite proudly, and I spent the past 12 years, ever since that moment in 2007, researching what Houston Smith, perhaps one of the most influential religious historians of the 20th century, would call the best kept secret in history. So, I mean, my biggest question behind all of this is, as a good Catholic boy, is the Eucharist. Where does Western civilization come from? It's some kind of wine-based concoction, some kind of something that is throwing these people into ecstasy. CHARLES STANG: OK. And that's a question equally for ancient historians and for contemporary seekers and/or good Catholics. Continuity Questions - 36 Questions About Continuity - QuestionDB Tim Ferriss is a self-experimenter and bestselling author, best known for The 4-Hour Workweek, which has been translated into 40+ languages. What does it mean to die before dying? So we move now into ancient history, but solidly into the historical record, however uneven that historical record is. Here's another one. [2] And her best guess is that it was like this open access sanctuary. Perhaps more generally, you could just talk about other traditions around the Mediterranean, North African, or, let's even say Judaism. But even if they're telling the truth about this, even if it is accurate about Marcus that he used a love potion, a love potion isn't a Eucharist. When you start testing, you find things. The Immortality Key - Book Review and Discussion - Were early - Reddit And so part of what it means to be a priest or a minister or a rabbi is to sit with the dying and the dead. Love potions, love charms, they're very common in the ancient. The Tim Ferriss Show - Transcripts In the afterword, you champion the fact that we stand on the cusp of a new era of psychedelics precisely because they can be synthesized and administered safely in pill form, back to The Economist article "The God Pill". And what it has to do with Eleusis or the Greek presence in general, I mean, again, just to say it briefly, is that this was a farmhouse of sorts that was inland, this sanctuary site. Oh, I hope I haven't offended you, Brian. So when you take a step back, as you well know, there was a Hellenic presence all over the ancient Mediterranean. It was one of the early write-ups of the psilocybin studies coming out of Johns Hopkins. The Tim Ferriss Show. I fully expect we will find it. But I don't understand how that provides any significant link to paleo-Christian practice. CHARLES STANG: Brian, I want to thank you for your time. BRIAN MURARESKU:: It's a simple formula, Charlie. First, I will provide definitions for the terms "pagan", "Christian", Now I understand and I appreciate the pharmaceutical industry's ability to distribute this as medicine for those who are looking for alternatives, alternative treatments for depression and anxiety and PTSD and addiction and end of life distress. That's all just fancy wordplay. That's just everlasting. A rebirth into a new conception of the self, the self's relationship to things that are hard to define, like God. It seems to me, though, that the intensity and the potency of the psychedelic experience is of an order of magnitude different than what I may have experienced through the Eucharist. That is about the future rather than the ancient history. So if we can test Eucharistic vessels, I wouldn't be surprised at all that we find one. It was-- Eleusis was state-administered, a somewhat formal affair. Did the potion at Eleusis change from generation to generation? The Immortality Key - David Bookstaber And I just happened to fall into that at the age of 14 thanks to the Jesuits, and just never left it behind. And if you're a good Christian or a good Catholic, and you're consuming that wine on any given Sunday, why are you doing that? I'm sure he knows this well, by this point. And when we know so much about ancient wine and how very different it was from the wine of today, I mean, what can we say about the Eucharist if we're only looking at the texts? Brian C. Muraresku with Dr. Mark Plotkin: The Eleusinian Mysteries, Discovering the Divine, The Immortality Key, The Pagan Continuity Hypothesis, Psychedelics, and More | Tim Ferriss Show #646 So I went fully down the rabbit hole. You won't find it in many places other than that. PDF The continuity between pagan and Christian cult - Scandinavia It seems entirely believable to me that we have a potion maker active near Pompeii.
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