The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. But she focuses greatly on the lead-up to that day, hoping to shed light on what happened to her son in order to help someone else see signs in their own child while they still have a chance to intervene. Theyd never seen his rage, nor ever felt scared of him. He didn't even say hi to Tom or ask how he was. I was just messing with you all a little bit in my other posts. Jefferson County Public Schools officials have consistently denied that bullying was tolerated or that athletes received special treatment. February 12, 2016 11:56am. of course, tom has never come out and publicly spoken the way sue has; from my personal observation he seems to be a little more torn up about it than she. COLUMBINE, pisode 3 : l'impact sur la socit, 3. VOTN, I have Cullen's book but have not yet started it. ". I must say, that rings true to me Id personally say it was because I was so self-sufficient and trustworthy as a child that my parents had no idea when I was going through (relative) difficulty in adolescence. Too bad. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. With these many, many factors in mind, I turn to A Mothers Reckoning. Outside Dylans journals, most of the information Sue got about Dylans frame of mind for the shootings came from a series of videotapes he and Eric had secretly made together. Firstly, like everyone else he didnt pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his best friend. I do find it odd that youd characterise your 17 year old son as your best friend anyway, youre his father. Dylan was remembered as a Cub Scout who attended church with his family. IIRC, they both had psychiatric attention. Yet, despite a happy upbringing, Dylan still did what he did. Of course there is no formula for determining whether someone will turn out to be a school shooter, but I definitely agree with the sentiment that it is important to look at how these things happen. Those kids were their responsibility legally. Eric also said he had purposefully not been spending much time with his family so there wouldn't be much "bonding" leading up to April 20 since that would make it harder to do. Both Adam and Dylan seemed to have good relationships with their moms (though Adam actually ended up killing his mother the day of the shooting), both struggled in school (Adam actually switched schools a few times. Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennet Klebold were a pair of school shooters, bombers, and mass murderers responsible for the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School Massacre in Columbine, Colorado, which killed thirteen people and wounded 21 others before ending with both of their suicides. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. So he called me and offered to go to the school in hopes of negotiating with Dylan. I shudder to think what kind of excuses you make for YOUR spawn's horrific behavior, R62. He did it in contradiction to the way he was raised.. Neither seemed to know where or with whom he was most of the time. [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . 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Without advertising income, we can't keep making this site awesome for you. Over time, they became increasingly close, hanging out by often going out bowling, carpooling and playing the video game Doom over a private server connected to their personal computers. School officials, law enforcement, and the adult community learned a lot after Columbine and are doing a better job of detecting trouble. But you also can't argue with success. I can't help it. Subject: Re: The Klebolds are DIVORCED Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 pm. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. His point is that "society" didn't have too much of anything to do with how Harris turned out--he was born that way. Eric Harris was an American murderer from Wichita, Kansas. Sorry. The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . Psychiatry has long attacked outsiders of all kinds, including gays, while not saying a word about society. To me its really hard to determine the quality of a relationship based on how teenagers feel about it. Dylan says people will note the date and time when watching it. We relate. You can't learn to feel if you don't. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting. i dont particularly envision tom to be the type of parent to humiliate or pressure his sons. The recruiter cold-called him. It profiles Sue Klebold, Dylan Klebold's mother, and examines what lessons Americans should take away from the tragedy. Getty, AP, AP, AFP/Getty. You're far too stupid to ever see that though. "I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy.". [quote]Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. He had friends, but felt as if he were a burden; he wanted love, but the girl he was interested in didnt know he existed. Sue Klebold decided to speak up now because she wants to tell other parents the signs she missed and what she would do differently. Any pix of the monster creators? Are any of Robert Hare's books of interest, if you know? Okay, well, first of all, gifted programs don't monitor shit. Indeed, R96. It Always seems like he didn't give a damn about them, in his writings and in the Basement Tapes. These are all great examples of Tom's relationship with Dylan. VOTN needs to get a clue. After the killing: How parents of attackers cope. His dad followed him around with a camcorder, capturing every move. Spelling aside, Eric Harris had turned 18 about a week prior. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. Good thing I did because Dylan hasn't exactly risen to a level of responsibility in my absence. Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". Introduction: My name is Golda Nolan II, I am a thoughtful, clever, cute, jolly, brave, powerful, splendid person who loves writing and wants to share my knowledge and understanding with you. His parents raised their two boys as many others did, following that close-knit, suburban family model (p. 62). 26 March 2017. He was fiercely independent, insisting his mother teach him how to bathe himself at the age of 5 or 6, and how to do his own laundry at age 10. Age : 36. . "Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting". Im going to start by reviewing what Bartol & Bartol (2017) have to say about school shooters (and shootings) as a group, though they also state there is no single school shooter profile. Can you imagine having one of those monsters as your brother? It may have hurt him. OP, I agree with you. One young doctor said, "I don't know if you can teach compassion, but you surely can teach the opposite! Byron indicated the last time he saw Dylan was on their father's birthday. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Maybe I'm just feeling too knowledgeable having been re-reading Steve Pinker's "How The Mind Works" recently. Funny how things cycle.". multiple newspapers and media outlets in the days after reported dylan and his father having the kind of relationship where, when dylan would come home from school, they would share a snack and read the sports section of the newspaper together. Klebold's body was . if anyone can correct or find the sources for me that would be greatly appreciated! I think those that readily (and outrightly) blame the parents are inclined to do so as to perpetuate some aspect of control, otherwise the shear nature of the case becomes too frightening. No one could control him. Dylan adds that they can have his things as well. My own experience is that my gifted teacher dragged me out of sporting events because they weren't academic enough, encouraged my teachers to assign me extra work that the other kids didn't do, and basically didn't understand teenagers, high school, or what it was like to be ostracized at all. They were not the mainstream group. The couple said they felt under siege after the shooting and never had a chance to grieve for their son. Maybe he needs to go home. How are parents supposed to know everything that goes on in their children's minds? I don't think the parents are to blame and never had, but it's a lot easier hating these two kids and their parents then hating the society that produced them. Very few people really care. I wonder if there was any homosex between those two. . He became more paranoid, forcing them all to flee a McDonalds because he believed a group of teens on the other side of the store were laughing at him. I know my mom and dad will be just like.. just fucking shocked beyond belief. His grades fell to average. They opened fire on students and teachers at Columbine High School in Columbine, Colorado, on the Nazi leader's birthday in 1999, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 23 people before taking their own lives. Unfortunately, Eric was able to channel Dylans experiences and psychology into a violent act that would take not only his own life, but the lives of many others. I think we can value Sue's words more than Dylan's words in this one. Just as the son's evil made people go back and re-evaluate his dad, discovering examples like the time Poppy sabotaged his opponent's sail boat the night before the race; one wonders if one should investigate more closely the dealings of the Harrises. . She went to Ohio State University where she dated Tom. Ed Berg, a former business associate who has talked to Tom Klebold since the shootings, said Dylan's father has come to grips with the boy's crime. . Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School in 1999 who killed 15 people before ending their own lives, a tragedy that saddened and galvanized the nation. There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. : apparently tom was really hurt when 4/20 happened and grieved heavily because he felt like him and dylan were best friends, and had especially gotten closer in the months prior. While in class we have made abundantly clear that most people with mental health issues are non-violent, Dylans depression and suicidality fits the school shooter pattern. Byron Klebold is Dylan's older brother - photo of him at link. Reb". I think you did an excellent job with this blog post. They believe what they want to believe. She also spent a lot of time conferencing with my teachers to know how well I was doing in school and she was interested in my assignments. I got picked on a lot and dealt with a lot of shit from the "jocks" and the "cool kids." When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. Apologies in advance if this question has already been answered. What is something of a mystery to me is why things reached the point they did. If someone read my journals as a teen, youd assume my Mom and I would have killed each other by now, but now we are pretty close. It is absolutely the parents vault. There's a blurb on the back flap comparing the book to Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood, and I thought that was just kind of typical PR purple mumbo-jumbo. They weren't bullied, and they weren't outcasts; all of that came from the non-stop media echo chamber that followed the events. Dylan was behaving differently, getting in more trouble, not always acting like himself. Sue Klebold. Eric was born in Wichita, Kansas. (Video) My son was a Columbine shooter. additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. I kind of admire that. Her son's name became famous when in 1999 he became one of two direct perpetrators of the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history. You teach people to manage their condition. He was also very close friends with the killers. See? I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. Some folks do indeed work from very primitive brain impulses. But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. Ignore them. We monitored what movies our boys could see, and put them to bed with stories and prayers and hugs (p. 61). Even after he broke into a car and stole stuff, there was no monitoring of his time spent making pipe bombs or firing guns or playing video games that glorified killing. I guess it's my generation. His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. ", "R77, there are people who don't have feelings.". Very exciting though, the progress we've made. For a couple reasons. (21 at the time). Or if they are, it's not because they're running amok in the store. Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. Sue would later find out through his journals though that by sophomore year he was battling depression and suicidal thoughts. Yes, it's the fifth anniversary of when you met your partner and you go out to dinner and somebody's child is relentlessly screaming throughout dinner that's fine. armed with one 10-shot hi-point model 995 carbine rifle, one intratec ab-10 (tec-9) pistol, two savage 12-gauge shotguns, and as many as . Tom's surgery was today. In this difficult, jarring talk, Klebold explores the intersection between mental health and violence . It was obvious that the attack had been in the works for a long time, and the plan carefully thought out. Sue had no idea it was a life-and-death situation. Describes how eric harris and dylan klebold approach columbine high school, in jefferson county, colorado. Don't believe me? Or it's everything. We've never left. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. In them, its obvious to see how his anger and rage turned from being directed toward himself to directed toward others. He felt a need to be in control. And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? Eric . Harris parents, Wayne and Kathy Harris, have never spoken to reporters. [quote]He had been in a gifted child program, and you'd think they'd have some type of monitoring since kids who are that advanced frequently have problems. My mom and I have always thought that my brother is one "snap" away from ending up hurting someone and/or in jail. Susan insists, "I haven't done anything for which I need forgiveness." Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . And even then we may never uncover the truth. here are some tidbits that might help you with the question. COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. Based on the end of Cullen's book, who was of course supposed to be a guest, most of them have moved on. I'm sorry, all right. it was probably dylan just being a snarky and sardonic person if the relationship had ever crumbled, or a classic father/son conflict. You can play the "if only" game all day long, but ultimately, it's nothing. Eric David Harris (April 9, 1981 - April 20, 1999) and Dylan Bennet Klebold (/ . Children learn psychopathy from their parents (e.g., the Bushes). Dylan Klebold, along with his friend Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 23 others in April, 1999 in Columbine High School, before they turned their guns on . Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Attention was paid. In their first interview since the Columbine High School massacre, the parents of one of the killers said they feel no need be forgiven and didnt realize their son was beyond hope until after he was dead. They lie. The second of the Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold was a "born genius" who, despite a sensitive disposition, experienced explosions of rage (most often brought on by failure or humiliation,) suicidal tendencies, a disdain for the "zombie"-like human race, and a suggestibility upon which the psychopathic . To develop coping skills. When someone is in a store, that is not their own private property. So no, nothing in the gifted program could have helped this kid. however, in her book, sue shared a diary entry she wrote of an incident in the months before the massacre: 1/11/99 This long, hard day is over. Even still, he seemed happy and had a handful of close friends. When he heard reports of gunmen in trench coats rampaging through Columbine High, it's reported, that Thomas Klebold (the father of Dylan) contacted authorities, because he suspected his son might be involved and offered his help as a negotiator.. Eric Harris's father (Wayne Harris) was a former Air Force pilot stationed at Plattsburgh AFB in New York, rumored to be linked to covert operations such as mind control. And psychiatrists, rather dubious "doctors" push drugs. Stop doing that." I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. (p. 277). Subject: Re: Dylan's house google earth Tue May 10, 2016 10:18 pm. . Second, the reason no one at the school noticed is because no one is ever trained to notice. The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. You shouldn't attack people for the actions of their offspring. (Stephanie . You unterstand. I think it's really odd that Tom Said Dylan was His best friend and Dylan Kind of didn't seem to care at all about his dadso one of them Had a really wrong perception. There was a creepy thread started by a sociopathic OP a couple of weeks ago where this was discussed. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Wayne worked as a transport pilot for the United States Air Force, while . To be clear, I'm sure the Klebold's obviously loved their children, but reading Dylan's writings, there was more going on in that home that Sue would say today. His father, who had been in the military, was strict with Eric, and actions in that house had consequences. . That's the first thing. its hard to take anything a grieving parents says objectively and we can of course have compassionate understanding for that but also realise it may differ from the reality of the situation, which must be painful. Victim's parents reactThe Klebolds comments was criticized late Saturday by some of the victims parents. Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylan's best friend. Even if they had friends doesn;t mean they were popular or well-liked generally. I just don't get it. Reviews: 81% of readers found this page helpful, Address: Suite 369 9754 Roberts Pines, West Benitaburgh, NM 69180-7958, Hobby: Worldbuilding, Shopping, Quilting, Cooking, Homebrewing, Leather crafting, Pet. By David Brooks. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. While Id argue that violent media doesnt cause people to act violently if theyre not otherwise inclined, it seems Dylan was vulnerable to the violent games and movies he consumed outside the home. When early word came that the Trench Coat Mafia may be involved in the shooting, Tom ran downstairs to look for Dylans trench coat, which he couldnt find, Lozow said. Hi Alison, For a couple reasons. At the beginning, when he writes about the good things in his life, he mentions his parents. She is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre that occurred on April 20, 1999. Eric Harris was 17 and a hottie. I had to fight for their basic rights because allegedly educated teachers thought things like "retards are dangerous" and "retards should be kept away from the good kids". A Further Examination: Sue Klebold's case study of her son, Dylan Klebold. If there is a hell, they are there, burning. R17, would you call yourself more of a Harris or more of a Klebold? His father was an Air Force pilot, and moved him and his . It's far more complicated than a matter of discipline. I have cousins who did shit like this - what was I supposed to do, call the cops and tell them to search their bedrooms because they might be crazy? Under different circumstances it would've been a lot different. Dylan is wearing a black baseball cap on backward, exposing a "B" embroidered in white on the back of the hat - the Boston Red Sox logo. Let's set aside the pipe bomb issue and Eric's scrapes with the law for a moment and ask why they weren't more involved with their kid. When I was in high school, my mother knew everyone I went, who I associated with, what I read, what I had my room, etc. Indeed, up until he died, he had been going to school, working a part-time job, hanging out with his friends, planning for college all behaviors of a normal teenager. Brown can . I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. Jesus, what a loathsome pair of people. FULL DOCO - PT 2 OF 3, 2. Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. Haven't most of you been able to conceal your homosexuality from your family for a number of years? I believe the parents both left the Columbine area, and possibly the state of Colorado. I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy. These people do have emotions.
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