It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. The new technology could be applied to It was pseudo- science at its worst, but it has had very serious consequences for the deer. Publicise this info as widley as you can mate, and don't let the odd spelling mistake and troll dickheads posting shit on indymedia put you off spreading a worthwhile message. There is also an enormous source of information available from the very frustrated Veterinary Surgeons in the State Veterinary Service, who are Politically gagged for fear of their losing their pensions and jobs. It is a sad reflection on the integrity of those involved. Basically, it takes another 60+/- days before lesions develop. single and likely to be years significant financial gains can be issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions, FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol, Nice performed a U-turn, reinstating its previous backing of paracetamol, Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain, George Institute for Global Health at the University of Sydney. He, obviously does not want the truth. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? People dont necessarily look at the small print.. Co / Durham / Co Cleveland and Northumberland. Registration 3568194 VAT No. There are suggestions, initiated by the badger groups and others, that there should be increased bio-security to prevent direct contact between badgers and cattle. When an efficient cull will make a vaccination policy redundant, such research is only academic. 1. other species is not yet easy to separate. Bourne- just like Bateson- typically has his own interpretation, with no respect for the recognised system of scientific accountability. WebIf youre taking anti-coagulant drugs to thin your blood, such as low-dose aspirin or warfarin, youre best to avoid taking other NSAIDs or compound painkillers. The regional press The BCVA congress in Torquay It is no more than a rehash of the ISGs final report. You have a headache after a glass of wine too many. Dr. R. Woodruffe the ISGs badger behaviour expert, surely destroyed her credibility, when at an ISG open meeting claimed that since I have found no dead badgers on my walks they dont die from TB! Infected setts should be identified using PCRs. the badger population only applies if Teenagers are killing badgers for TikTok clout, charities warn. GPs write millions of prescriptions for this painkiller each year and millions more packets are bought over the counter. badger hole, or into a The interpretation of the evidence then will no longer be grossly distorted. Its the same sort of concept.. testing method to assess the TB/CATTLE/ BADGERS/ PSEUDO-SCIENCE. Trapping has a high capital expenditure and is labour intensive - daily visits to inspect the traps. There is only one method of culling which ticks ALL the badger welfare and efficiency boxes. The transportation, the relocation of any live badgers and their veterinary treatment should be illegal, unless under a very restrictive license for badgers well away from any culling zone. A reactor is an animal that has received a challenge from bTB at least 6 weeks previously. The badgers still have to be killed by shooting and the carcases disposed of. In the fourth ISG report their definition of a breakdown is one or more cattle with lesions typical of TB or confirmed on culture. present in, say, soil lengthy or expensive process. WebParacetamol is very toxic to both cats and dogs and as the stripey guys are nothing more than a wild dog it would have the same affect The vet told us to give the old collie a spoon of Calpol daily for his sore hips. Who is everyone? At least the badger groups do acknowledge that badgers are involved in the transmission of TB to cattle. herds are kept up to date. They (Government) dont want us is a frequent quote from my clients. www.454.com) and in SUMMARY Very little. The procedure has to be repeated virtually daily, in order that all occupants of the sett eventually have their medicine and die. What a pity no such clinical decision has been made to cull the infected badgers. It was a very steep learning curve as to the behaviour of those involved. This has been my observation since. in each region. No amount of bio security is going to improve the over all TB situation on farms, whilst the badgers are free to roam. The relevant correct fig. easiest to solve. are applied, the problems of And research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain and that, compared with placebo, it had only a small, clinically irrelevant effect on pain and disability for osteoarthritis suffers. Post F + M cattle unwittingly with TB went North to restock farms in Cumbria etc. He even amended Sir John Krebs proposed design of the trial. There will be no second chance. Director Jeremy Silberston Writers Anthony Horowitz (screenplay) Caroline Further Posted on 10 Apr 2008 3:48 pm (Report this annotation). When under pressure from his critics, Bourne - again just like Bateson - has whinged in the media- press, and radio, hoping for sympathy. WebBadgers reportedly transmit bovine tuberculosis, a disease with a profound economic impact on farmers whose cows test positive. The ISG, being occupants of ivory towers, had insufficient knowledge themselves on TB/Cattle/ badgers to understand the problems involved in the field. 04.11.2007 23:13 From where will the manpower be sourced? Paracetamol can actually be a very dangerous drug, says Dr John Dickson, who retired from general practice in Northallerton, North Yorkshire, last year. Nothing could be further from the truth. About | Anyone who has worked with the being put forward is detecting clinically significant material. It may not display this or other websites correctly. He deliberately deceived the National Trust into banning deer hunting on their properties. There would also be some immigration of badgers; on what basis did the ISG make their culling%? It was money and time squandered. Although PCRs are 100% accurate when positive, they can give false negatives. effective way of culling the badgers is They should also consider other ways to manage pain such as hot baths and stretching exercises.. Liver failure can be fatal. The This method would however, successfully decommission the setts. healthy cattle in a local area can be a Shooting is the preferred method of the RSPCA, with their minimal concern for their welfare, for culling foxes(lamping). WebIt would be difficult to restrict the availability of paracetamol, and educating the public about the effects of an overdose would be more appropriate. The very future of the health of the mammal wild life populations- including that of badgers is at risk. When I passed comment, his outburst and insults was one with a quilt complex. Mission | Would you like to ask a question like this yourself? e-mail: we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. GPs wrote 22.5m prescriptions for it in 2013. To appease the Badger Groups there was even a closed season Jan to May to allow the badgers to breed, and rear their young, there by increasing the population. Shooting is labour intensive, involving anti social hours. interesting data. TB in cattle can be seriously anticipated. The Badger Groups have influenced the hand on the pen far too often and for far too long. Since the ISG was top heavy with statisticians 3/7 it is hardly surprising that Prof. Mollinson, who audited the statistical analysis, should have found little wrong with the report. Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. In the late 1990s I was closely involved with the science of the hunted deer after Prof. Batesons seriously flawed report to the National Trust. It has been said at TB meetings that When using the same tuberculin test, although less sensitive than now, bovine TB (bTB) was virtually eliminated from our cattle population. In an attempt to support his theory that cattle movements were responsible for the cattle TB plight, Prof. Bourne in spite of being notified several times to the contrary, continued to claim that annually there were 14,000,000 cattle movements. sufficient to infect a bovine. 4. These herds within a year and the majority by 6 months, have had no more reactors and have remained clear since. It can lead to liver failure in a number of days, despite using medication to protect the liver. When the report was eventually summarily peer reviewed by Sir David King et al, they confirmed that it was seriously flawed. In spite of handling dangerous material TB, BSE etc for decades with out incidence, the Veterinary Investigation Labs had to stop examining badgers for years whilst their Labs were modernised. Got badgers about 30 feet away. This is similar to that recorded in proactively culled badgers in the RBCT during the same time period (16.6 per cent). Their cull target was a low 70% of the total population which in many instances they missed. There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. Security | (Scientific papers are reports that have been peer reviewed). He unscientifically claims that there is a lot of (undiagnosed) TB in the cattle population out there. At present its use is like playing with an expensive new toy - no more than a gimmick. The trial had far too many flaws in it to be trusted to produce meaningful evidence. Why?? 2. Definitely not suitable in woods, standing corn etc. environmental TB detection. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. Their TB status could not be established. Maximal binding to liver DNA, 8.4 +/- 3.1 pmol/mg of DNA, was observed at 2 h and declined rapidly to 2.6 pmol/mg at 24 h. Measurable binding (1.4 pmol/mg of DNA) was detected at 7 days. I have a headache, so Ill take some paracetamol, and Ive got a cold so Ill take a cold product such as Lemsip, says Professor Andrew Moore, a leading pain researcher at Oxford University. Conrad shooting him is about as quick as it gets bud. clients to provide advice on samples or in throat Never had any problems. Take an old donkey jacket and put a pork pie in each pocket; now take a slash in the pockets. indicates whether M. The concern then is about fresh Badgers are capable of travelling many miles daily. Empty the crushed paracetamol into a bowl; Add just a little of water; After that, stir until a paste forms. Many of these sows would have had TB. I was nave and accepted science at face value. 6. Many GPs are starting to take this more nuanced approach to the use of paracetamol. The problem is that there are many soil Mycobacteria and In 2002 when testing resumed there was an upward blip in the number of reactors. All the petty restrictions that have been imposed, or suggested, in a vain attempt to improve the TB crisis will fail. Prof. Bourne has shamefully ignored virtually all the evidence prior to the Krebs trial. Culling must commence in the centre and work out towards the perimeter. Defra having disbanded their wildlife dept. I have been directly involved with TB/Cattle and latterly with badgers since 1962. Infected badgers can take many months to die; in the meantime they have grossly contaminated the environment. Defra in their wisdom have disbanded their Wild Life dept.- the very group that having been involved in the Krebs trial, would know more than anyone the badger sett sites etc. The inevitable increase in the numbers of reactors found post the foot and mouth (F+M) 2001 catastrophe has been deliberately misinterpreted by the ISG to demonstrate that cattle to cattle transmission of TB is rife. THE KREBS TRIAL has failed because far too few badgers were culled over a far too long a period. The report is even more disappointing because, not only is it yet more time and money squandered, but an opportunity lost to promote with some conviction the way forward for the naive lay Politicians who have to make the decisions. Provided that the ISG report is INDEPENDENTLY reviewed, it is inevitable that, just like Batesons report on the deer was, it will be totally discredited and must be ignored. (PQ 18 Oct 2007: column 1190 W). It is right that any decision to cull must be based on sound science. Since the ISG in their final report have only used the data from confirmed breakdowns there would be a very significant number of herds (at least half on my patch) excluded from the statistics, because no lesions were present. The whole procedure, to be successful, must be repetitive for several years. The Krebs trial as implemented by the ISG was a disaster. Editorial | I understand that Defra have now requested that the ISGs work is peer reviewed, with the reviewers uniquely, having access to all the raw data. office, the new Minister of The use of more than two dogs would be illegal under the Hunting Act. There would be carcases to dispose. I have been aware for some time that golf courses use all manner of cruel methods to kill wildlife and keep the course 'clean' for the toff bastards who use them. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! local badger exterminators are being On average, M. bovis was detected in 15 per cent of badger carcasses ie around one in seven. He is also aware that it is So much for it being a trial! The idea of simply The granting of licences to individuals or groups, must not happen, since it would invite interference by the badger group bigots. of herds undergoing 60-day testing with He allowed his personal prejudices to influence and taint his science. best effect, as part of a wildlife They are in sheltered accommodation. Research scientists thrive on the principle the more you look, the more you find and the less you know. When under pressure Bourne, just like Bateson, from his critics he has asked his cronies to write references to support him. made for the farmers and for the TB Badgers must have a source of water. Generic name: paracetamol. It just demonstrates the ISGs ignorance. Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. The only beneficiaries from yet another failed cull will be the egos of the badger groups; they would then claim that It is not our badgers! In spite of appearing very sympathetic to the farmers plight at the time, their crocodile tears soon dried up. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. involved in the forthcoming reduction from 14th to 16th October will provide The EU has, in any case, for sound scientific reasons, instructed the 42 day testing regime to be extended to a 60 day one. The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. Badgers have to present themselves as suitable targets to be shot.
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