She never wouldve made it through the Academy. I like the way you think! By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? She makes it all look so easy. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). Smart doesnt mean competent. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. Its sci-fi, brah. I will have to go check it out. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. 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The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. Its just lazy writing. Harry wasnt annoying. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Episodes will be. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. Mary Wiseman is sending the message that your body is your own, your responsibility, and nobody elses business, not any sort of health and fitness message. Someone with a lack of intelligence throws a race card at every debate. I dont think Tilly is ruined. For what its worth Picard has an excellent cast, male and female, it just feels they are one or two notches above their discovery peers, maybe again due to writing/direction. Tilly appears twice in the Star Trek: Discovery season 5 trailer. Understanding? Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Its gotten very stale now. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Age is affecting my memory haha. Waste of talent. Do you see that tension? And others opinions dont factor in. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. It seems like people like her say: this is me. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Jerks. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Conversational, easy to listen to and understand every point. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Agree. And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? Tilly is the most human member of the crew. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. Right!? Where are they!? I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. Thank you, Trek Movie Staff, for sharing my interview with your readers and providing a link to Forbes.com! Though frankly, I find people like her generally seem more aware of their overall health and fitness than people who try to fit others images. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Book is Han Solo. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. Samarkand? I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. Anyway it was just a thought. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. Biography Just more pandering. Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. I agree! Stupid decision to bring her back. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. https://t.co/zV56ClHoUZ, Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) December 18, 2020. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. That was an awfully fast turnaround. Story: With . Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. Full Circle is pretty dark in some ways. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. Well said, Edward. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? Learning? Way too many issues. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. If they wont act a woman should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Just blows my mind. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. Tilly is not a perfect officer. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Please dont ban me!). David Ajala: Yeah. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. I realize there are people who like his quirks. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. And tons dont. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Everyone has their gifts. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. But then again Im not a troll. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Well, Renos really more engineering. Yes, The Expanse. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. So I was also just very excited for the fans. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. You know, like a psychotic murderer? After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Ok, SH didnt invent this. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. I think Mary Wiseman is a fantastic actress..the writing for Tilly is an abomination. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. | November 13, 2021 | I could watch Tilly all day! And the only family she has is on that ship. The doctor was usually the therapist. Shes a little overweighed, so what? We never saw her effort to become that person. Shaming is one thing. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. And Tilly is the Trekkie. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). Keep up the great work ladies! And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. Its participation trophy trek. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Tons do, yes. But I would like to read some of the TNG books Ive heard about, especially the Destiny series which I know is a big crossover with all the classic shows and the Borg. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Theres a little Harley Quinn. The message she is sending how? What do you think it looks like? Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. Exactly. That is not anything to diss. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. Hahahaha! Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? That sucks, but that is just the way it goes. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. He also has emotional intelligence. The journey to discovering Tilly, the rescue puppy that would change our lives, began before she was even born. Just underused. And thats a healthy outlook. I agree 100%. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. . That will be the one I read first! And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match.
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